I’m been a fan of Dr. Christine Koh and her podcast, Edit Your Life, for a long time. It’s an honor to have her on the podcast today to discuss topics like decluttering (in a doable and exciting way), handling the holidays, and radical rest. Enjoy – and check out her podcast, Edit Your Life.
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Full Transcript
Ep 72. Interview with Dr. Christina Koh: Micro-Decluttering, Radical Rest & More
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Kelly Nolan: Welcome to The Bright Method Podcast where we’ll discuss practical time management strategies designed for the professional working woman. I’m Kelly Nolan, a former patent litigator who now works with women to set up The Bright Method in their lives. The Bright Method is a realistic time management system that helps you manage it all, personally and professionally. Let’s get you falling asleep proud of what you got done today and calm about what’s on tap tomorrow. All right, let’s dig in!
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Kelly Nolan: Hey, hey! All right, so today is a true honor to have Christine Koh on the podcast. For those of you who don’t know Christine, she is the host of the Edit Your Life podcast, which explores so many topics that help the very people who listen to this podcast: smart, curious women who deal with a lot and are interested in a lot. I cannot recommend her podcast enough. Christine offers this calming and realistic perspective that I love, and I really enjoy learning from her and her guests on just a wide variety of topics, so many topics that really all come together in who is interested in them, which is people just like me and just like, presumably, you.
The topics range from caregiving aging parents to adulting tips to parenting approaches. Even if you’re not a parent, you will get a lot out of it as well. If you take anything away from this episode, it’s that I hope you go listen to her podcast Edit Your Life and add it to your weekly rotation. On the whole, like this podcast, it aims to reduce overwhelm in realistic, practical ways.
A bit more about Christine herself: Christine Koh is a music and brain scientist turned multimedia creative. She spent a decade in academia during which time she earned prestigious fellowships from the NIH to fund her PhD research at Queen’s University and a joint appointment post-doctoral fellowship at Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard Medical School, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Christine was about to become a professor when she decided to hang up her academic spurs in favor of more flexible and independent ventures.
Since leaving academia in 2006, Christine has created a professional palette in which she wears multiple hats all oriented around her passions for storytelling and problem solving while also encouraging reflection, growth, and disruption. As a writer, she is a pioneer in a hyper-local blogging niche writing for major media outlets like The Washington Post, The Boston Globe Magazine, and CNN, and is a traditionally published book author of Minimalist Parenting. And she writes a popular Substack called There’s Always a Story.
She is an award-winning podcaster and producer of two shows, and while she did not go to art school, she is a designer and founded and ran a stationary and graphic design firm as well as a resistance apparel company, whose wears were worn by Whoopi Goldberg and Alyssa Milano. She’s a sought-after creative director and strategist with a passion for mission-driven work, and she has developed award-winning creative concepts, storytelling campaigns, strategic digital marketing plans, and designs for mission-driven clients such as The American Cancer Society, Maze.org, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Heart Association, CDC Injury Center, and more.
Of humble origins and Korean immigrant parents, Christine now lives in the Boston area with her husband, her daughters, and her standard poodle James. She is incredibly impressive and even more so impressive in how kind and thoughtful she is, so let’s dig in!
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Kelly Nolan: Well, Christine, it is a true honor to have you on the podcast! I am so excited you’re here. Before we kick things off, why don’t you just introduce yourself and explain kind of what you’re working on project-wise these days?
About Christine and What She’s Currently Working On – 3:40
Dr. Christine Koh: Oh, well, Kelly, thank you so much for having me! I am excited that we’ll be sharing a show on my podcast as well with you because you had so many smart things to say on our recording. So I’m Christine Koh. I am a little bit of a strange career jumper. In my former life, I was a music and brain scientist, and I left the field in 2006, I believe, which was a very long time ago, and just decided I wanted to try to see if I could make my way with more flexible and a different kind of creative adventure. And I started with old school blogging. I had Boston Mamas, which was a real pioneer in hyper-local blog, and then over the years it just evolved into writing a book and launching a couple podcasts and becoming a designer of both paper goods and resistance apparel and then becoming a creative director.
So it’s been a very winding road, but everything I’ve learned at each stop along the way has really contributed to the whole picture and the different suite of skills I bring to my work, and I love it all. It’s a weird life but it’s great!
Kelly Nolan: Well, and I’ve heard you talk about how the common thread through all is trying to just reduce overwhelm in a lot of ways, in practical, realistic ways for people, and that’s something I very much relate to, so I love that message. And as I said in the intro, to anyone listening, definitely listen to her podcast Edit Your Life. You will absolutely love it if you like mine.
Well, thanks! Well, we are gonna bop around a bit today, as I mentioned, because I just have listened to your podcast for so long now that there are lots of different things I want to talk to you about. So we’ll bop around a bit.
One thing that you focus on, at least, especially in your book and things like that is the decluttering approach, and I’d love to dig into some examples of that in physical spaces in time. But before we do, I would love to just know how you got interested in decluttering and how it showed you benefits in your own life that got you excited to think about this for more like a teaching others how to do it.
How Christine Became Interested in Decluttering – 5:44
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah, well, we’re gonna go a little briefly deep. I will say because I think that whatever anyone’s history is contributes to who they are and how they show up in the world, and I grew up amidst tremendous chaos. I was one of seven kids. It was an immigrant household. We usually had at least three generations and various immigrating relatives. I never really had space of my own. There was also just a lot of other kinds of chaos in the house, so it was really difficult, and I think that as I have evolved as an adult in this space, I’ve just really wanted to help people get from a place of overwhelm, and that can look like so many different things for different people but find those small levers to really figure out how to make change in their lives.
And it’s funny because I’ve always had this thread of really being interested in trying to help people find solutions, but it was a moment during the pandemic that really hit the nail on the head for me as far as really drilling even further micro. And what happened was I was standing at the coffee maker, and I realized that I had forgotten to load it up and set up the coffee the night before, and I broke down in tears. [Laughs] It was such a small moment, but I was like, “Wow, if such a small act had the capacity to completely derail me into a puddle of tears, then conversely, small acts can help us find our way out into a better place.”
And so, I would say over the past few years especially, I’ve trained my lens even further on micro. There’s so much micro on my podcast now because that’s just kind of the evolution of where I’ve gone and really looking for the small actions and moments of agency in life.
Kelly Nolan: And that’s, I think, what attracted me to wanting to talk about this with you is that most of the people listening to this are very busy professionally, personally, all that kind of stuff. And I think everyone relates to that, “I have too much stuff. It’s all too much to clean up every night,” or “Too much going on in my life on a lot of different levels.” But it’s so overwhelming and almost exhausting to think about changing it.
Dr. Christine Koh: Mm-hmm.
Kelly Nolan: And I think that your approach with micro-decluttering and micro-approaches to so many things not only makes it seem doable but weirdly and surprisingly exciting, I think.
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah!
Kelly Nolan: Suddenly it’s motivating to do it. And so, that’s why I thought it was so — I’ve just been so attracted to that side of what you do as well because it feels, as I said, doable and exciting.
For those who haven’t listened to your podcast as much as I have, do you mind explaining a little bit more about in physical spaces what is micro-decluttering and give some examples so people know what we’re talking about?
What Micro-Decluttering in Physical Spaces Means – 8:42
Dr. Christine Koh: For sure. So I’ll just say straight out that even though I appreciate the work that anyone brings in creatively to the world, I am never gonna be the Marie Kondo person who dumps out their entire closet and then builds it back from scratch. Even the thought of doing that makes me really itchy. [Laughs] So whether it’s the closet, whether it’s a living space, the kitchen, whatever, one of the things I started doing on my show in the last year or so, maybe the last year, is really drilling down. And so, I have this series on the show that I call [Blank] Micro-Goals or Decluttering Micro-Goals.
And so, for example, my first priority, actually, I remember when I started this series was my outdoor space. I have a tiny backyard. But it just was so unpalatable to me, and I didn’t want to be there. And so, I thought, okay, if I just say “clean up the backyard,” I’m never gonna do it. It just feels too big. So I said okay, how can I break this down into micro-steps where I could actually tackle something in a half hour or an hour when I had free time?
So I literally just walked around and in just a couple minutes made a list of things like:
- Get rid of the dead leaves
- Get rid of all the broken plant pots
- Hang up some lights
- Get some flowers in here in this one little space
And for each of these little micro-goals, areas that I’ve tackled — I’m working on a basement micro-goals episode right now — I mean, we’re talking about maybe identifying anywhere from six or eight or ten things. But then once you finish them and tackle them, you feel like you have this whole new lease on life. And all of a sudden — I mean, the outdoor thing was really transformative because I literally hadn’t been out there much in maybe two years. And in the one month after I finished this little micro-goals series, I spent more time out there just hanging out with my dog, hanging out with my family, enjoying the lights than I had in the previous two years combined.
I mean, it’s incredible, and so, I felt that impact in other areas of my home too. I’ve done it with my living room and my closet and the kitchen and just making things into more doable chunks is gonna be so much more satisfactory.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah. I could not agree with you more. But for some reason, the way you talk about it is like a lightbulb going on in my brain of all the different ways, especially on the physical side of things that — you know, I manage time and tasks and things like that, but the physical side of things can be really daunting to me, so it’s really helpful to hear you talk about that type of thing.
Dr. Christine Koh: Can I share one —
Kelly Nolan: Yeah!
Dr. Christine Koh: — example instead of inside of an example. I’m thinking of it right now because, I mean, I have a good amount of books, but I think if you’re, for example, gonna declutter your books, even that feels overwhelming. Like, okay, I’m gonna get rid of books to take to the library or put on the curb or donate or go to the used bookstore, or whatever. So one of the things I did was I’m like, okay, I’m gonna declutter my cookbooks. This is gonna take five minutes because I have maybe 20 of them. I want to try to reduce them by at least 30%, and so, that was a task in itself. And then I moved onto coffee table books, and then I moved onto fiction.
So wherever you can break it down so that you can put something in a container that’s more like 10 to 15 minutes versus a couple hours I think will just help you get some traction.
Kelly Nolan: Absolutely, and I’ve heard you mention on your podcast that kind of 30%-ish benchmark. Is that something that you aim for whenever you’re doing any of these micro-goals from a decluttering standpoint?
30% Decluttering Challenge – 12:19
Dr. Christine Koh: Well, I came to that because I had a fascinating conversation with Shira Gill. She’s this incredible human on the internet, and she has a couple books out, and she has this minimalist approach to life. But she said that oftentimes when she’s helping clients with their homes, I think she said something like they end up decluttering 30 to 50% of their stuff before even getting to the stage of organizing it. So I was like what!
And so, I decided to engage on this little decluttering challenge last year where I’m like I want to task myself to try to get rid of 30 to 50% of handbags, cookbooks, shoes, and I just broke it all down, and it was — there’s a whole episode on it. It’s super dorky the way I approach it. [Laughs]
Kelly Nolan: No!
Dr. Christine Koh: But it’s incredible! I got rid of so many things, donated it all to one of the local charities, and it just felt so good to see that stuff move on and live a better life somewhere else.
Kelly Nolan: But I think it’s a really — I don’t know what it is about it because I think that sometimes I declutter when I sit there and I’m like how much — not that there are any supposed to in this, but when do I know I’m done? How do I know if I’ve gotten rid of a lot? Whether you need to hold yourself strictly to 30% or not, it somewhat almost gamifies it where you’re like, “Okay, how am I gonna do this?” [Laughs]
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah. Totally.
Kelly Nolan: It gives me some structure that I think at least my brain operates well within. So I find that really interesting and kind of fun.
Well, turning to time, I really like your point of the value of breaking projects down into small steps, into making it just more doable. Do you approach this within your work context as well when you’re doing a work project? How do you apply this micro approach to work in that context?
Bringing Micro Into Work – 14:13
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah, well, you and I share a similar philosophy about the incredible, incredible importance of getting things out of your brain and down logged somewhere. And so, I have found, because there have been a number of times in my life when I’m juggling, and I guess that’s now too, but I’m working on several different projects. So the mental load of even just remembering where things are exactly at and what you need to do is just a lot. And so, I use a to-do app called Todoist. I like it because you can do things like set recurring tasks and whatnot, which is helpful, for example, when you’re producing a podcast and you know that you have certain things that need to be done every week, and then you can check it off and it just pops off again.
But the way that I’ve also leveled that up is I’ll break any client project or any project I’m working on into a series of these micro-tasks that need to get done, and in the to-do app, I’ll also (because I live in Google Docs all the time) attach the document in Google Docs where I need to find it so that everything, like when I get to the task, it’s just one click to get to where I need to go to work on it. And so, I’ve just found that’s helped so much with alleviating the mental load and then also remembering when to do things. Everything is really plotted out.
And then, you know, I make it a little fun by adding emojis to my to-do list [Laughs] in thematic style but, you know, whatever it takes to get you through your things. But I just think really writing everything down and getting it out of your brain is so important, whether you’re managing your calendar or your to-do list.
Kelly Nolan: Absolutely, and this is just a nerdy question. But when you’re breaking things down, do you have kind of like each task should only max take a certain amount of time? Or is it just kind of as micro as you can go naturally as you break things down?
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah, it’s a little more organic. After our conversation for my podcast, I’m definitely thinking a little bit more about time blocking a little more aggressively. So it’s not at the moment broken out, but generally speaking, because I’ve been doing the work I’ve been doing for so long, I have a pretty good sense of time awareness about how long things take now.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah. Right? And then do you — last nerdy question on this because this is where my brain goes. Do you, then, kind of use these — and I know the projects you do are probably very different from each client, but to the extent there’s consistency, do you then take kind of a project flow you’ve done with one client and almost use it as a template for your next one? Is there any recycling?
Dr. Christine Koh: They’re all very different, but I will say that one important thing that I recommend to people, and it’s relevant to the calendar blocking approach that you use and have developed, is that you have to think about your own energy too and what you’re sort of, in the book Asha and I refer to it as golden hours, but for me, if I’m doing something like developing a creative strategy or trying to come up with clever messaging or developing a really beautiful story arc, for me personally, that work needs to happen in the morning, and so, in those cases, if I need a real deep dive block, I will block that out on my calendar, and I’ll just commit to being in something for two or three hours, whereas other kinds of things like mechanical podcast production tasks or even design stuff where I don’t have to use my cognitive skills quite so much, those types of tasks I’ll do in the afternoon when usually my energy is a little bit lower or just for creative flow.
Kelly Nolan: I love that. I couldn’t agree more about the value of matchmaking tasks to time — or sorry, tasks to energy levels. It’s just so, so valuable, so I couldn’t agree more with that.
As we turn into the holidays, I have read your work previously on just rejecting that busy-ness of a badge of honor and particularly going into the holidays, which is such a busy time for a lot of families. How are you approaching these holidays coming up? Is there anything you’re doing intentionally from past lessons learned in this environment to help you kind of keep things kind of where you want them this holiday season, whatever that looks like?
How Christine Approaches The Holidays – 18:30
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah, I think there are a couple things that are on my mind right now. As I mentioned, I’m from a large family of origin, and there are a lot of people. At the time we’re recording, which is in September, the holiday comms have already begun. And I think one important thing is to figure out where your comfort level is and where your boundaries are around planning. I mean, when these texts started coming in I said really plainly, “I’m not planning that far in advance for the holidays. Not because I don’t care. I love you all. It’s not because I don’t care, but it’s because I’ve got another family set. There are some health things going on. I need some flexibility because of X, Y, and Z.” So just saying, “Listen, I’ll get back to you when I’ll get back to you.”
Kelly Nolan: Yeah.
Dr. Christine Koh: So I think really honoring how your family sort of manages that kind of stuff, and of course, if you have travel where you need to actually step on an airplane, you need to do some things in advance. But if you have more flexibility, I would definitely encourage letting yourself have that.
I think one of the non-negotiables for us during the holidays that we’re learned over the years, and it’s been a little trial and error, you know, some years we haven’t stayed as true to it, and then we’ve regretted it, is that if there are certain traditions and moments that you delight in, protect them, you know? For us, my girls really love being home on Christmas Eve to open stockings. There’s nothing fancy in the stockings. It’s usually a lot of Trader Joe’s candy. But there’s just something cozy about it that we really love.
So there was one year we kind of were trying to make some other people happy, so we didn’t do that, and everybody felt, like, a real loss. So protecting those little rituals that are really important for you.
And then I would just say I think even more, I’m a big fan of sort of the weekly calendar review and then editing down accordingly, but especially in those weeks leading into the holidays, wherever you can get rid of and edit out unnecessary tasks, unnecessary appointments, things like that, meetings that maybe could be moved to a later date, I would just exercise all of those options because these are supposed to be happy times, you know? [Laughs]
Kelly Nolan: Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Christine Koh: It’s sort of an unfortunate irony that we’ve found ourselves in that it’s this chaotic time, people are really stressed, they’re really busy, and it’s supposed to be relaxed and great. So I really encourage people to just stand true and fiercely in their own boundaries around the holidays and just get it back to being something joyful.
Kelly Nolan: Well, and I love that because — so, for context, basically the past two years, kind of past two academic years, my kind of focus has been trying to inject more ease into my life. I felt, you know, with little kids and stuff I was like I just need more energy and breathing space and things like that. This year, I really feel up to injecting more joy in my life too, which what I love about what you said is so often what I talk about is do less, do less, do less, so you can enjoy what you do more. But there’s an intentionality behind what you’re talking about, about being selective but adding in some stuff that you know what’s important to you and really making that more proactive effort to add in some things that usually I’m like, “Don’t add in more! You have too much!” But when it’s really worth it and really joyful, that’s something that I needed to hear, and I really appreciate you sharing because that’s kind of where my own focus is turning to and my own energy levels are allowing these days. [Laughs]
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah, well, and you bring up an important point that every year is gonna be — I mean, there will be many predictable things, but there also will be some things that might be shifting a little bit, you know, in your own energy, in your own brain space. I mean, I’ve been thinking a lot about sort of my birthday last year and my upcoming birthday, and I’m in just such a different mental space that what I want this year is just different. I have a different feel and a different energy about it.
So I think that’s really good to tune into as well because all of us will invariably be going through — I mean, this is gonna be a sort of chaotic season for many reasons. And so, we have to honor wherever we are at in the moment.
Kelly Nolan: Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, thank you!
Along those lines, on a similar note, I know that you have taken a month of radical rest in your recent history, and before we dive into what that was like, I would love to hear kind of why that was notable for you. I think a lot of people listening will relate to why is it radical to take a month of rest? What prompted you to do that? And then we can dig into what kind of came out of that for you.
Christine’s Radical Month of Rest – 23:19
Dr. Christine Koh: Yes, this is a great question, and thank you for asking me. I’ve really enjoyed exploring this topic internally and then also sharing about it externally in the last year and a half.
So last year, 2023, was pretty notable because in the middle of the year at the end of June, I resigned from my sort of agency life where I was a creative director, and it had been a very tumultuous ending. The last six months were, really, pretty dark for me, and I was pretty overwhelmed and trying to think about my next steps, and that’s the point at which I decided to go completely freelance on my own as a consultant. And it was really good, although it was very much like trying to find a new gear in life. Like, I was trying to find out how to work less but also not be panicking constantly about money, and I have a lot of financial scarcity fear that comes from my upbringing and, of course, a kid in college, so I actually have some real bills to pay. [Laughs]
So there was all of that swirling, and then as it happened just the way things happen, in the fall I ended up landing a consulting project that was in very much emergency mode. So I probably had to accomplish about six months’ worth of work in eleven weeks. It was really compressed and very stressful. I was paid well for it. It was big effort. And so, when that wrapped, or as we were approaching the wrap of that I said you know what? I deserve to take some time to fully recover from everything that’s happened this year. This would line up well so I can really sink into the holidays with my kids, I can spend time with my older kid who’s home from college, and I’m gonna just trust that my clients will come back to me, or they’ll be okay with a pause or whatever if I take a break from December 15th to January 15th.
And so, there was something really powerful actually in saying — actually, at that point, once that other big thing wrapped up, I only had one client that I was pulling over into the new year, and so, I had to kind of convince them to take a break. But I’m like, “This will be better for all of you because nothing’s really moving on the internet. Things are very expensive anyway if you want to advertise.”
Kelly Nolan: Right. Right.
Dr. Christine Koh: “Let’s just take a break. This is just what I’m doing, so come along!” So it was kind of empowering to just carve that out and say, “This is what I’m doing, and I encourage you to try it, if you wish.” [Laughs]
And then it was just really quite gratifying to figure out a different way to exist and get things done. I mean, I was not hard driving on things. I mean, I think I was still doing my podcast at a sort of minimal level. But it just gave me the time to sink into noticing what was around me, nurturing my relationships that had been a little bit untended, having the space to take care of myself. It was really, really powerful.
I would be remiss if I didn’t mention Tricia Hersey’s book Rest is Resistance. I wrote the quote down, so I’d have it in front of me, but she writes: “Rest isn’t a luxury but an absolute necessity if we’re going to survive and thrive. Rest isn’t an afterthought but a basic part of being a human.” So this is a real opposition to the hustle culture that we are all in, and I think it’s tremendously important.
Kelly Nolan: Absolutely. And one thing you mentioned (because you have this podcast episode about the lessons coming out of this month of radical rest) that just kind of stopped me a little bit in my tracks because it resonates so much is we need to sometimes move slower to notice and observe even how we feel and what we might want out of life. I find that I’ve talked about this that sometimes when we’re so overwhelmed it can be so hard to even know what we want to do. Some time-management approaches will be like, “What’s your vision?” or “What’s your purpose?” And you’re like, “I just need to get through the week! How do I even get there?” And when you said that of, like, when you’re able to slow down and take a pause, you just can hear yourself more. You notice things more and things like that.
Anyway, I just thought that was such a powerful statement that sometimes we’ve stopped being able to hear ourselves in the frantic pace of life.
Dr. Christine Koh: Yeah. Yeah, and let me allow for a really micro example of this because your listeners might be like, “Oh, my gosh, a month? How on earth am I gonna do that?” I mean, there are many shades to this down to giving yourself an hour, but even at a super micro level, I will say that one of the things that I have started doing, I started doing it sometime in the spring because I was just feeling my brain was very full, very scattered, you know, I wasn’t taking the greatest care of myself. I just needed a little bit of a wellness reset. And so, I decided to carve out the time, block it out. I actually do have this time blocked on my calendar, but every morning after I walk the dog I go on a 30-minute walk by myself, every weekday morning. So it kind of sets me up for the day.
And the important thing, because you mentioned tuning out the noise, is that I don’t take my phone with me, I don’t have AirPods or anything like that because when I started doing this I was like I just want to be able to feel the whole experience of being outside. I want to swing my arms bilaterally without a weight of a phone in my hand or anything in my ears. I want to hear what’s going on. I have the benefit of living in a city that has access to green space, so I can actually walk along a river if I choose to go that way. I wanted to really notice what was happening around me, and that’s just not possible in this same way if you’ve got a device, as much as I love listening to podcasts or whatever else.
So I would encourage people to try to find that little micro entry point, and I think that is a good one, like a half hour step away from your phone where you can just sort of be and notice is really, really important.
Kelly Nolan: I love that. Well, thank you so much for sharing that because I completely agree. I’m amazed at how often I reach for headphones if I’m doing anything to be entertained and sometimes it’s just like just listen to what’s going on in your brain. But I agree, getting outside and even just being able to look at a farther distance than two feet in front of you at a computer makes such a difference.
Well, awesome! Is there anything else you want to share today, Christine?
Thinking of Ourselves Generously – 30:11
Dr. Christine Koh: I mean, I love talking about all these things. I think it’s just really important to remember how much, especially you said your audience is very busy women juggling a lot of things, and there’s no upside of putting yourself last. Nothing good shall come of that, so I think part of the challenge is just carving out the time for yourself and the moments and the space to consider. And then the other part is something you and I talked about a little bit on my show which is about the need to also self-advocate, and if you’re in a relationship, if you’re in a family system, to remember that it’s a bigger piece of the puzzle.
And so, I just really encourage your listeners to really think of themselves well and generously with a spirit that is very much in the lane of once you give yourself enough, you will be able to show up better in all ways in your life, and that is something I truly believe in.
Kelly Nolan: Well, thank you so much. That is a great thing to end on, and I so appreciate it. In addition to everybody mandatory listening to Edit Your Life podcast —
Dr. Christine Koh: [Laughs] Thank you!
Kelly Nolan: — where else can people find you if they’re interested in learning more about what you’re doing?
Dr. Christine Koh: Well, if you want to just see the variety of all the things I do, you can go to my website www.christinekoh.com, but the social platform that I have the most fun on, I love chatting with people on is Instagram. So I’m @drchristinekoh there, and then I also have a Substack which I believe is christinekoh.substack.com, and shockingly, I’ve written there weekly for over a year I think. Yeah, since January of 2023, and that’s been a real delight too.
Kelly Nolan: Oh, wonderful. Well, everyone, go check it out! And thank you for being here Christine, and for you listening at home, thank you for being here as well, and I’ll catch you in the next episode!
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