We talk a fair bit about matchmaking your activities to your energy level patterns in a typical day or week. Let’s kick this up a notch with Carmen Amador Barriero as she walks us through how those of us experiencing menstrual cycles can think about our natural tendencies during different phases of our cycles (plus, how to know which phase you’re even in!).
Carmen is an Organizational & Business Psychologist, Community Builder at Oyster and Women’s Health Mentor. Carmen is on a mission to transform the way people see themselves, their workplaces and the world they live in. Through her current work as as the Community Lead of Oyster’s People Builders Community, she regularly empowers and facilitates leaders and professionals to transform their workplaces into authentic, inclusive & thriving remote & hybrid environments. Whether speaking to hundreds of delegates at a conference or facilitating workshops virtually, Carmen is known for creating curiosity, enthusiasm and interactivity around any topic at hand.
Carmen has also spent the last 3 years training as a certified Holistic Women’s Wellness Mentor, Womb Awakening Practitioner, and is on a mission to guide women in reconnecting with their bodies through menstrual cycle and womb work, helping them remember their magic.
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Ep 70. Menstrual Cycles & Time Management with Carmen Amador Barriero
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Kelly Nolan: Welcome to The Bright Method Podcast where we’ll discuss practical time management strategies designed for the professional working woman. I’m Kelly Nolan, a former patent litigator who now works with women to set up The Bright Method in their lives. The Bright Method is a realistic time management system that helps you manage it all, personally and professionally. Let’s get you falling asleep proud of what you got done today and calm about what’s on tap tomorrow. All right, let’s dig in!
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Kelly Nolan: Hey, hey, and welcome back! All right, as you know, I talk a fair amount about matchmaking your tasks and your activities to your energy. Often, I talk about this in the context of the time of day or even the time of week. But today, we are going to kick this up a notch and dig into a topic that I don’t know much about, but I am very interested in it from a time-management perspective and also as a woman, and that is thinking about how you want to spend your time and the activities that you do during different phases of your menstrual cycle.
Now, as a side note, I want to note that I know some of the listeners, you might be listening to this, and you might no longer be going through a menstrual cycle or a regular one because perhaps you’re in perimenopause or menopause or postmenopausal. I would love to get an expert in here to discuss how to manage energy levels and the types of productivity that you might want to go through during those different phases of our lives as well. So if you know of someone who would be a great fit for that, especially kind of thinking about time management and energy management in that context, please reach out to me and let me know!
Today, we are gonna focus on the women who are experiencing menstrual cycles and focus on how we might match our natural energy and kind of predispositions to different activities during certain phases of our menstrual cycle. To dig into this today, we have Carmen Amador Barriero. Carmen is an organizational and business psychologist, community builder at Oyster, and women’s health mentor. Carmen is on a mission to transform the way people see themselves and their workplaces in the work that they live in.
Through her current work as the community lead at Oyster’s People Builders Community, she regularly empowers and facilitates leaders and professionals to transform their workplaces into authentic, inclusive, and thriving remote and hybrid environments. Whether speaking to hundreds of delegates at a conference or facilitating workshops virtually, Carmen is known for creating curiosity, enthusiasm, and interactivity around any topic at hand. Carmen has also spent the last three years training as a certified holistic women’s wellness mentor, womb awakening practitioner, and is on a mission to guide women in reconnecting with their bodies through their menstrual cycle and womb work, helping them remember their magic. You will definitely feel that in today’s conversation. So without further ado, let’s get to the good stuff!
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Kelly Nolan: All right! Well, welcome, Carmen. I am so excited that you are here. I think this is such an interesting topic. Do you want to just introduce yourself and explain kind of how you got interested in this topic to begin with?
About Carmen and Her Work – 2:58
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes, absolutely! So hello, everyone! I am Carmen, and I am an organizational psychologist, holistic women’s health mentor, and also the community lead at Oyster HR at the moment. So I’m wearing lots of different hats. But kind of the way that I got into this whole topic I think starts with my degree in psychology.
So I’ve always been really interested in humans, the human mysteries, the human mind, you know, how we operate as human beings, and that kind of kickstarted my whole career in organizational psychology. That’s been what I’ve been diving into the last — my whole career, essentially, and also how I got into community work for Oyster. So we have a community of HR leaders across the world, L&D specialists as well, future of work pioneers, and we get together to essentially co-create the future of work.
But in tandem to your question and about five years ago, I want to say, I started to have a lot of kind of menstrual symptoms, infections, just confusion about my body in general in so many ways, and I think a lot of women might resonate with this where you might go to the gynecologist or the doctor, and there’s just not many answers or diagnoses, or there’s not many solutions, perhaps. And I found myself in this weird time of I could feel that my body was not aligned or there was something off, and yet I wasn’t getting the answers that I needed. So that really propelled me into just diving deep on my own. I bought so many different books. I started to take lots of different courses. I went very, very deep, [Laughs] essentially.
But over time what happened is the more I decided to learn about my own body, which to my surprise that I had never really learned about, the more that my symptoms started to calm, and the more that I was living aligned, actually, to my menstrual cycle, these symptoms started to go away. And to my surprise, I started to see all these superpowers as well. So it was kind of this win win, you know? I went into it from a more symptomatic approach and came out of it from this empowerment, productivity approach that that’s what I kind of dive into now, and that really propelled me into kind of starting to teach and share this work with other people. So that’s when I got trained, as well, in holistic women’s health, in womb healing too.
So yeah, a very long answer to your question, Kelly!
Kelly Nolan: No, I love it!
Carmen Amador Barriero: But it’s been, yeah, a squiggly way into this field.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah, no, I love it, and I think that’s how some of the most passionate parts of our life start is kind of in problems. I mean, that’s I guess how I got into time management is I just found myself in this place where it was new, I didn’t like it, and to get out of it, you find your own way out and then you get passionate about it. So it’s really fun. I appreciate you sharing.
So speaking of learning more about menstrual cycles and kind of leaning into maybe our natural tendencies during different phases and the superpowers that can come out of that, do you mind giving us kind of an overview — and feel free to slowly walk through it, however you want to do it — of kind of how we can approach the different phases of menstrual cycles and what should we know about that so that we can also tap into those superpowers?
How to Approach Different Phases of Our Menstrual Cycles – 6:24
Carmen Amador Barriero: So, yes, typically our menstrual cycle is 21 to 35 days long, so that’s considered on average a normal cycle, and we have four different phases in our cycle. So one is the menstruation phase (the bleeding phase). So that’s considered days 1 to about day 5 or 6 even. Then we have our follicular phase, so that’s around day 5 to maybe 13 or 14, which is when our ovaries start to develop potential eggs to potentially become pregnant. And then we enter our ovulation phase. That can be around day 14 or even up to day 18. And then we have our luteal phase, which is when we are essentially preparing to become pregnant but then we essentially are not pregnant and go into our bleed again.
So that’s on the kind of physical, physiological level. But there’s a lot of energetics and a lot of different changes that happen not just in our body but also just in the way that we are throughout this time as well.
So, for example, in our menstruation, we tend to become more inwards. So it’s kind of this time of rest and recovery, and it’s an amazing time to reflect on what’s happened the last month, on essentially, yeah, just becoming more inwards and reflective and kind of shutting out the outside world.
Whereas follicular phase, so when we start to go into that follicular time that we mentioned, it’s kind of like coming out of this cave into springtime. So a great analogy is spring. So we have a lot more energy. Our estrogen is rising. We have a lot of creativity. We want to plan ahead. It’s a fantastic time to plan for the rest of the month, the rest of the cycle.
And then ovulation is kind of akin to summertime. So, you know, we’re in peak energy. All of our hormones are peaking at this time. We have the most energy. We have the most physical strength as well. We have a really sharp mental focus. It’s essentially this kind of superhuman time, this energy that we have throughout ovulation. It’s a great time for social activities, adventures, scary things perhaps like podcasts or interviews. Ovulation is a great time for that time.
And then we go into this luteal phase, which is kind of similar to autumn, right? It’s kind of this shedding. So our hormones start to drop again. We have the rise of progesterone, which is a hormone that stimulates calm, and it’s a time to finish things off. So maybe finishing things off your to-do list. You become very hyper-focused, hypervigilant. So you can be much more attentive to small details, for example. But again, similar to menstruation, you become more inward-focused, so less of the outside world and more of your inner world as well.
Kelly Nolan: That’s fascinating! I mean, at each phase you were talking, I want to be taking notes, and then I have to remember that I can listen to this again. [Laughs] What I’m particularly latching onto right now is that ability to finish things, because I know for some of the women I work with, that’s such a common issue, right? You start things, and then you don’t want to finish them. And to be able to say, “Hey, this period of time ups the chances that I’ll actually wrap things up.” That’s so powerful to know.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yeah, absolutely. It’s kind of like our body is naturally preparing to shed, right? So if menstruation is this kind of wintertime of shedding, restoring, recuperating, nourishing, the autumn, the before is like okay, what do we need to do to get ready for this time?
Kelly Nolan: Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: I’ve got these things on my to-do list. Bam, bam, bam, and you become kind of extremely efficient at finishing things off the list. However, there can also be another aspect of this kind of critical voice. So I’m sure lots of women on the call are familiar with maybe PMS symptoms or feeling like right before your period you might be extremely critical on other people, on yourself as well.
Kelly Nolan: I have no idea what you’re talking about. Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: [Laughs] No idea. No clue!
Kelly Nolan: [Laughs]
Carmen Amador Barriero: [Laughs] There’s an interesting dichotomy there.
Kelly Nolan: You know, I think we can talk about this. My brain kind of goes to work stuff, initially. I’m sure there’s more because I love that you brought up the times to be social and things like that. But for the work stuff, and you’ve already kind of talked about generally what it might be, but what are the types of work activities you see people kind of thrive with in different periods of time? Granted, everybody has different jobs, but it can be helpful to have some guideposts.
Work Activities Based on Your Cycle – 11:19
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes, absolutely. So different tasks can be more enjoyable at different times of your cycle, and also you can be almost better at them at different times of your cycle. That’s not to say that you can’t do it.
So, for example, if you have a very important presentation scheduled and you happen to be on your period that day, that’s not to say that you can’t do it. Of course, you can. Of course, 100%, but it’s almost like are you operating on a full battery at that moment or on, like, a medium battery or maybe lower battery? So what cycle syncing essentially does is you’re syncing work tasks to the time that your battery is the fullest on that particular task.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: So that’s the thought behind it. So, for example, in springtime — I use the seasons as analogies.
Kelly Nolan: No, it’s very helpful!
Carmen Amador Barriero: It’s a great way to have nature’s seasons as this kind of comparison because we all understand nature’s seasons, so it’s a good way to think about that in our bodies. But yeah, so this follicular phase, so coming out of our bleed, our period, is such a creative time. So if you’re in a position at work where there are new ideas to be made or brainstorming or, perhaps, you’re planning for the future or there’s experimentation like, “Let’s test a lot of different things.” Maybe you’re part of a product team that’s doing design, you know, at that point in time. Your spring, your follicular phase is a fantastic, fantastic time for that. You’re more playful. You’re experimental, and there are lots of ideas flowing.
On the other hand, for example, if we’re looking at this autumn time, this luteal phase, things like a very boring spreadsheet that might look very boring to you in springtime, could be super interesting in your luteal time because you’re super hyper-focused, and also you’re more attentive to small details. So it’s, again, switching these kinds of superpowers, let’s say, to different times of your work. And at the same time, during winter it could be things like reflecting back on all of the projects, visioning for the future of your business or the future of your team, whatever it might be, more solo tasks, admin tasks.
And then we’ve got summer, of course, which is that ovulation time, which we can, for example, really schedule things that might be scarier for the rest of the month. So like I said, podcasts or an interview, meeting very important people for your career, networking. It’s really this time to put yourself out there. It’s an external time. Whereas that menstruation, which I just spoke about, is more of an internal time. So it’s just tweaking, essentially, what you do when, and it’s crazy the effects it has. It really is crazy. It really is crazy.
Kelly Nolan: I believe it.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yeah.
Kelly Nolan: I believe it just from even if I matchmake, and I do a good job of matchmaking my energy within my day it has such a difference. I can’t imagine on the broader scale of — because we all know it. I mean, in a menstrual cycle, whether we are tying it to our menstrual cycle or not, we all have those weeks where we’re like, “I’m just not motivated to do certain things.”
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yeah.
Kelly Nolan: And then other weeks I’m like, “Man, look at me clean up this house! I’m, like, really motivated!” [Laughs] And I’m like what is the difference between some of this stuff? And I think that can just be really powerful. So I completely believe you. I’m very intrigued by this because I can see the potential of it.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yeah. I love that you said cleaning the house because something that a lot of folks do without even realizing in their luteal phase (so the autumn) is cleaning their house.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah!
Carmen Amador Barriero: I recently changed up the entire house. My partner was away. I just rearranged. I changed everything. The whole thing is completely different. And then he asked me, he was like, “Were you in your autumn?” And I was like, “Oh, my god, I was! I was!” [Laughs] So it just becomes part of the language, and it’s really interesting.
I also wanted to mention with regards to what you were saying feeling amazing perhaps one day. So in our ovulation time, those peak of hormones, neuroscience studies have shown that it increases your confidence. So you feel better and also, I find this fascinating, it actually changes your pheromones when you’re ovulating. So you actually smell differently, and therefore, you are more attractive to people in your external world than the rest of your cycle. It blows my mind. It blows my mind.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah. It is fascinating.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yeah.
Kelly Nolan: So a couple kind of littler questions that came to mind for me are, so for people like me, who I have an IUD. Probably TMI but there it is. I don’t have a period anymore. How would I kind of know where I am in all of this?
How to Navigate if You Don’t Get a Period Anymore – 16:27
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes, great question. Great question. So it will depend on what kind of contraception that you’re on. Some people are on very specific IUDs, some on others, some on the pill. There are lots of different options here, so it will depend on if you ovulate or not. So typically, on IUDs sometimes you do ovulate but on the pill, for example, it does tend to suppress ovulation altogether. So that means that ovulation and this luteal phase wouldn’t actually happen in your body sometimes.
Kelly Nolan: Okay.
Carmen Amador Barriero: But that doesn’t mean that you can’t benefit from this work because, essentially, I guess the message that I’m trying to convey is that it’s connecting with how you feel every day and listening to your body and listening to just the natural ebbs and flows of your energy, right? Which is also what you talk about in this podcast. So I think you can work with that element.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: So still be connected with your body every day and see how you feel and notice any subtle shifts, and perhaps there are physical differences in how you feel or different cravings or you communicate differently and just starting to be more mindful of how you feel every day and then adapting that rather that resisting it and just planning things because you think you need to plan them in this way. What is the body-first approach here?
Kelly Nolan: Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: So I think that’s just a subtle shift.
Kelly Nolan: I’m gonna tie what I’m gonna say next to my next question is, obviously, my brain goes to using your calendar to track and also predict what might come. If you have a very predictable period and cycle, my guess is you could even calendar these things out. To me, I envision full-day events across a week where you’re like, “This is my autumn. These are the types of activities I like to do.” Repeat it every so many days or four weeks or whatever it is for you as the person listening and tee yourself up to the types of things you might want to do. Again, it doesn’t mean you can’t do other things from the sounds of it. It doesn’t mean that’s exactly how your body will operate that month. But I think it’s so valuable to have that predictor.
And then if you’re like me where you’re like, “Well, I can’t really do that right now,” at least, using the calendar to track. Because you’re right. Even though I don’t have the telltale signs once a month of what’s going on, I have the telltale signs about my emotions, how cranky and prickly I am and things like that, and might as well just embrace that reality and try to work with, “What’s the cadence of this typically happening in my life? Does it last for three days? Every so-and-so days?” Maybe even just repeating that in my calendar digitally and be like, “Just a heads up. Around here, you might be cranky.” [Laughs] It’s helpful! It’s helpful to understand these things because, again, as everyone knows listening to this podcast, I’m all about just embrace reality and work with it. Don’t fight it. And so, let’s lean into those tendencies that you can figure out about yourself.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Oh, my goodness. You’re preaching to the choir. Absolutely. Absolutely, and I think that’s it, right? It’s if we know ahead of time that we might be feeling, like you say, a little bit more cranky, for example, then it doesn’t hit us right across the face when it happens, right? Because sometimes you wake up one day and you’re like, “Ah! Everything’s terrible today! I want to quit everything! Why is it — ah!” You know, those kinds of days, but actually, if you knew kind of in advance that, “Maybe at some point this week this is how I’ll be feeling,” it just changes because you can put the parameters in place around you to not have it affect you to that degree.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah, and how do you track and predict for yourself? Because I know not everybody goes to the calendar like I do. Is there something else that you do, or do you do something similar? How do you do that?
Tracking Your Menstrual Cycle – 20:13
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes, so there are lots of apps that you can use to track your cycle, or you can track it manually as well. So the best way to know is the first day of your period is day one, and then every day obviously goes after that, and then because I need an application to tell me where I am, but I also use Natural Cycles. I find it a fantastic product. So you measure your temperature actually, so it’s very accurate in terms of where you are exactly.
Kelly Nolan: You know, now that you’re saying that. The closest I got to actually — now that you’re saying that you’re triggering my mind. I do have an Oura Ring. I’ve kind of stopped wearing it.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes! Me too!
Kelly Nolan: Oh, nice! So I was playing tennis, and it was hurting me, so I stopped wearing it. But now that summer’s over, I’m gonna adapt to wearing it again more. So actually, sorry, as you were talking I remember I think Oura Ring ties into Natural Cycles, doesn’t it?
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes.
Kelly Nolan: Sorry, I interrupted you. That’s probably right where you were going. [Laughs]
Carmen Amador Barriero: No, no, but it’s perfect because that is literally why I got my Oura Ring because I was taking my temperature manually, and then I was like no, that’s just not it. I’m too lazy.
Kelly Nolan: [Laughs]
Carmen Amador Barriero: I need something to upload it automatically for me. But yes, it tracks your temperature. And so, coming up to ovulation, your temperature rises, and then when you are in your luteal phase going into your bleed, your temperature drops.
Kelly Nolan: Okay.
Carmen Amador Barriero: So that’s how it can tell around when you are going to be ovulating, so it’s quite accurate in that sense. And so, that’s how I track it. And then exactly like you said, I do plan my certain tasks around this time. So, for example, full disclosure, I’m on day 14 today, so I am either ovulating today or tomorrow. And so, I try and plan anything that’s external, social, a podcast like this around that time specifically.
Kelly Nolan: I love that.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yeah.
Kelly Nolan: When we spoke previously you also gave examples that I thought were really useful to just kind of drive it home on the job search, and, you know, obviously you can’t always control timing in a job search.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Of course.
Kelly Nolan: But to the extent you can, thinking about — I mean, you can explain this better but when you review resumes versus when you try and schedule interviews. Those are different skill sets that might, as you said, have different batteries, different capacities during different seasons. Do you want to speak to that? Because I thought that was really interesting.
Honoring Varying Capacities in Various Phases of Your Cycle – 22:37
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yeah, no, absolutely! And I think when — let’s see. So I think it’s asking questions. When will I feel the most analytical or admin-focused or kind of solo-task, get my head into a spreadsheet, get my head into LinkedIn, whatever mode, versus when will I feel my most social, energetic, willing to speak to other people, confident? So kind of spreading those two apart and then starting to plan around your cycle there, right?
Kelly Nolan: Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: So if you’ve got those more admin days, maybe they can be around, yeah, your wintertime, your autumntime, whereas the interviews, like you were saying, something where you’re maybe selling yourself or selling a company for someone else to recruit into, that could really be around that time that you have more energy, your spring or your summer. So it’s kind of just subtle shifts. It really is.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah!
Carmen Amador Barriero: It really is subtle shifts, and then of course, if you’re on a deadline and the best is your luteal because you just go. You go and get those things done.
Kelly Nolan: So I have a random question. It’s totally okay if you don’t know. So one thing I see that at least in American work culture is so prevalent is a lot of probably the springtime of all these ideas. All these ideas, let’s brainstorm them all, this is great. And obviously, I don’t mean it’s springtime, I just mean that’s a natural tendency for American work culture. I’m curious. I’m usually pushing people in the work front, and even in their personal lives, to get more clarity around what do I really want to do and eliminate a lot of stuff because we can’t do all the things that we might have the energy for in springtime, and then maybe fall hits and we’re like — [Laughs] we can’t do all that. I don’t actually have the capacity to do all this.
When would a good time be, and maybe it’s that reflection time, to just get more of that clarity of, “What’s important to me? How do I want my life to feel?” and make tougher decisions around, “Maybe we’re gonna eliminate some stuff here?”
Carmen Amador Barriero: I love that question. So I would, yes, a hundred percent menstruation, winter. Inwards, evaluation, reflection. What’s important to me? What isn’t? What do I want the next month to look like? What do I want the next six months to look like, the next year?
Kelly Nolan: Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: It’s also no bullshit time. I don’t know if I’m allowed to say that.
Kelly Nolan: Yeah, it’s okay.
Carmen Amador Barriero: But it is. So your spring and summer, you’re more externally facing, so other people’s opinions can influence you much more. Whereas your autumn and winter, it’s no bullshit, you know?
Kelly Nolan: Yeah. Yeah!
Carmen Amador Barriero: It’s more about listening to that inner voice. So a hundred percent I would say during that menstruation time or even in autumn, luteal, when you’re kind of in the shedding mode, like what’s really important, you know? We’re not gonna do the extra stuff.
Kelly Nolan: Interesting. And I think what’s so tempting, particularly if you’ve grown up in American work culture, is to see it more like, “Well, maybe I’m just tired right now and low energy. When I get more energy, I’ll be able to do all this, so let me just keep it all and push through this harder season.” And I think learning this, if you can reframe, maybe it’s not just lower energy, maybe it’s wise and realizing energy and time are limited. And so, really listen to that voice that’s not a laziness or a tired or whatever voice. It’s really wise, and it will serve you really well going forward to maybe calibrate more to that season versus the spring where then you’re spending three-quarters of the rest of your year trying to keep pace with the spring instead of realizing, no, that’s just a peak, and let’s not plan our life at that peak level of time and energy.
Carmen Amador Barriero: A hundred percent, and the best analogy that I can give is look at nature for cues, right? So are trees always bearing fruits? Are there fruits in the tree the entire year around? No, right? It’s seasonal. So we as humans are also part of nature, so we also have these seasonal cycles. Again, can we produce the whole year? Yes, we can. But do we burn out? We do, right? It’s not sustainable.
Kelly Nolan: [Laughs] Yeah.
Carmen Amador Barriero: So it’s looking at cues around, “Okay, can I be actually more productive if I rest,” right? It’s not looking at, “I’m just gonna be resting all the time. I’m chilling. I’m doing my self-care.” No, no. It’s doing self-care so that when you do come out into that spring and summertime, you can go fully, you are at a full battery. You really recharged. So it’s respecting the highs and lows.
Kelly Nolan: And I think, then, if you really listen to yourself in that wintertime, you can go full throttle on the things that are important versus all the things. [Laughs]
Carmen Amador Barriero: Exactly. Exactly.
Kelly Nolan: Which it just is really, really important. Well, Carmen, I could talk to you I think all day long.
Carmen Amador Barriero: [Laughs]
Kelly Nolan: And we probably should wrap this up. But thank you so much for being here. I’m sure people are like, “I’d love to learn more about this! I’d love to potentially work with you.” What would be the next steps for people who are interested in pursuing this more in their own life?
Next Steps If You’re Interested in Learning More – 27:55
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes! Absolutely. I think the first step is take a moment and see where are you in your own body, whether you have an IUD or a pill or a contraction of any type, it doesn’t matter. Just have a check in and say, “Okay, how am I feeling in my body today?” And I think that’s the first step is just realizing, “Ah, I am on this cyclical schedule of some sort, and how can I tap into that a little bit more?” So start with curiosity, I would say.
And then absolutely, there are lots of different books and resources out there, two that I can really recommend. One is Wild Power and the other is Period Power. Very similar names but they are fantastic. They really catapulted me into this world. And apart from that, I take on kind of coaching clients. There we go! That’s the word. Coaching clients, mentor clients as well myself, and I’m starting a course, actually, to dive into each of these spaces more and more, so you can align your life.
Kelly Nolan: Wonderful, and if people are interested in learning more about working with you because you’re so wonderful, where should they go to check that out? I’ll put the links in the show notes as well but just while we’re here.
Carmen Amador Barriero: Yes, yes, so I’ve got my website and my LinkedIn that you can link folks to, absolutely. Carmenamador.com, so very easy.
Kelly Nolan: Nice! Nice.
Carmen Amador Barriero: [Laughs]
Kelly Nolan: Well, thank you so much, Carmen! I so appreciate you taking the time to be here, and to you listening at home or on your errands or wherever you may be, thank you for being here, and I’ll catch you in the next episode!
Carmen Amador Barriero: Thank you, Kelly! It’s been wonderful!
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